overnight, as you know, the economy collapses. the metal business completely collapses. >> when that happened to you, and having gone from literally nothing, you were a homeless guy to $13 million business, and then it all disappears, what was that like for you? >> i didn't care about losing the material possessions. i had a 3-year-old son at the time. he's now 7. the only thing that was going through my mind was, how do i face my son. from the day he came home from the hospital, i was determined he was not going to grow up in the same environment that i did. and all i wanted to do is have my little boy sit on my lap when he was old enough and say, you know what, there's nothing you can't do. you can become anything. i don't want my boy to look up at me and say, daddy, if that's true, how come you haven't done it? that was what was crushing my heart. i just could not fail. and come up with an excuse for this little boy. >> tony, can anybody be like this? or do you have to have a little bit of ferocity of spirit? >> i think ferocit